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Posted: 23rd July 2008 15:36
Crusaders: coming to Super League
The biggest hurdle will be for Dixon and the Crusaders, and Salford City Reds for that matter, to find a squad of 25 men capable of competing in 27 Super League games a year - and remaining competitive until that 27th round.
Phil Clarke
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The big news this week was the announcement of licences for a place in Super League for 2009 to 2011.
Celtic Crusaders and Salford City Reds made the cut and will be relieved after such an anxious wait.
The big talking point is obviously the addition of a Welsh side to our competition. Rugby League in Wales is nothing new, it has been around for over 100 years, admittedly little success.
That in itself highlights the problems facing the Crusaders, but one thing for certain is that they will receive a greater degree of funding from the RFL than their predecessors from the principality. The annual distribution to each Super League club is over £1million.
They are also guaranteed revenue for the next three years, so it does allow the people in charge to put in a place a business plan to make sure their place in Super League goes beyond 2011.
Nobody knows what the future holds of course, but the general consensus is that there is the potential for a club in South Wales.
I am sure the Crusaders have carried out their own market research, but the fact that when Wigan met St Helens in the 2004 Challenge Cup at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, 15,000 tickets were sold to people with Welsh postcodes, suggests the support is there.
Sadly, we haven't been able to attract the same local interest for recent Millennium Stadium, which suggests that is the first challenge faced by the Crusaders.
The critics and cynics will point to the fact that they are currently pulling in crowds of just over 1,000 at their tired faclities at Brewery Field, Bridgend. So, does the club's benefactor Leighton Samuel put money into renovating it, or do they wait for a new one - which is unlikely to be ready before their Super League exemption runs out.
And what will attract supporters more? A nice stadium and surroundings, or a decent side? If on-the-field events have an influence the Crusaders, on current evidence, appear to be in safe hands. Their Australian coach John Dixon has fought off prostate cancer and his side certainly play with a sense of freedom and love to entertain. A quick look at the spectacular tries of the season on their website prove that they are worth watching.
Player recruitment is another major dilemma for the Crusaders. Again the cynics will say they are just a side made up of Aussies, but recently they have started to blood one or two local lads.
And although the 15-man code is the dominant force in Wales, the performances of Maurie Fa'asavalu at St Helens and Simon Worrall at Leeds are current proof that union players can perform in Super League - and we all know there is an abundance of those in the valleys.
The biggest hurdle will be for Dixon and the Crusaders, and Salford City Reds for that matter, to find a squad of 25 men capable of competing in 27 Super League games a year - and remaining competitive until that 27th round.
But do they go with more or less what they've got and look to recruit quality players for 2010 or do they spend big money buying players now, who might be at the bottom of the wanted list, as it were, in the hope that will make them competitive in their first season?
It is very difficult to attract supporters and just as importantly, sponsors, if your team is not playing well on the pitch - especially at home. No-one will turn up if the Crusaders are getting beat 50-0 every week and I guess the best way is to follow Hull KR's example and keep a similar squad and add a couple of faces in the first season before bringing in more quality for their second.
And then there is the question of youth development to ponder. How much of their budget do the Crusaders spend here and now on players who are 14, 15 and 16 and might not be ready for the first-team in those crucial three seasons? I can also envisage a time when the RFL stipulate how much you need to spend on youth development and the staffing in the junior set ups.
Some clubs have spent almost £10million in the last five years on first-team players but just a slither of that on their future talent. Crusaders have to have one eye on the future to make sure we finally establish the game in Wales, but also have to bear in mind that they have to make an impact of some sort in their first season.
Of course, all thise applies to Salford as well, although given their history, fanbase and player pool, not as much.
As for Widnes, you have to feel for everyone at the club because effectively they have been relegated for the next three years. It will be hard to take but the good news is their owner, Stephen O'Connor, has said he will stick around, which will mean they should be back with a stronger application next time around.
And although nothing in life is certain, I am sure that Widnes will still be playing rugby league in three years' time. Given the brave and bold move to include Wales in the Super League set-up, I hope we are saying the same about the Celtic Crusdaders come 2011.
What do you prefer from your club? Success on the field, superb facilities, youth development or commitment to the community? Phil has raised several issues, so why not respond by using the feedback box below?
Or, if you've got an alternative question for Phil, you can mail it in HERE
Chad Randall scored a hat-trick of tries as Quins defied a late comeback by the Dragons to round off the season in style.
Hull KR signed off their campaign in style with a third derby victory of the season over neighbours Hull at Craven Park on Sunday.
Hull KR coach Justin Morgan said he was 'satisfied' with the engage Super League campaign after the victory over Hull.
Catalan Dragons boss Mick Potter insists he will not let his side be effected by the 34-24 defeat to Harlequins as the play-offs approach.
Warrington have missed out on a home tie in the Super League play-offs after crashing to a 38-20 home defeat against Huddersfield.
Comments
Roy Basnett says...
As a Vikings supporter I am disgusted with the decision not to include Widnes in the new line up, but would like to outline some basic points which will have a serious effect on the Superleague. If, as expected, to country takes a major economic down turn over the next few months Rugby League attendance figures will drop. With this in mind launching a new business venture (Celtic Crusaders) at this time is just stupid! If this does prove to be the case, and the uptake of the sport is poor, surely this will be a major financial burden on other clubs. For example: Warrington Vs Celtic Crusaders with the Crusaders bringing away support of 50 people. You do the maths! Believe me that's what they'll bring. Secondly does anyone remember the Taylor report? " Well we thought they were going to have a new stadium by now" would make a poor excuse in the event of (God forbid) a sporting disaster in an inadequate facility. If I sound bitter its because I am, but common sense will tell you that the future is NOT bright for Superleague. In the next 2 years I predict an number of teams will go into liquidation.
Posted 05:50 29th July 2008
Steve Mcaleney says...
If it so important to develop Rugby league in Wales and France why are they not developing their own leages and playing in their own countries. Surely this is what should be happening and then there would be the oppotunity to have proper international tournaments instead of there being only 3 or 4 teams in the world who are capable of playing the game and actually winning any contests. In our own country where super league is based it would have been better for us to have gone out and encouraged the playing of the sport in all ares of the country and then perhaps we would have been giving a franchise to a team from lands end or northumbria. Surely that would be better than brining in teams from other countries. One final thought the franchise is for 3 years and yet affectivley we have given the french 6 years and dare I say it at the expence of Widnes I leave you to make your own mind up on that one. I Can hazard a quess on what the widnes supporters think and any decent supporter of the game will probably agree
Posted 10:47 27th July 2008
Alec Holt says...
i would like to congratulate celtic crusaders on getting a super league license! Only time will tell if it will be a success or not and i truly hope it will. i am a die hard hull fc and they only have to look at our neighbours hull kr as an example. justin morgan has done a quality job at keeping them in super league and its great they got a license because it provides such an electric atmosphere. even though we beat them 44-18! once again many congrats to celtic. the black and whites will certainly be invading south wales. OLD FAITHFUL!!!!
Posted 22:09 26th July 2008
Peter Underwood says...
It is great news that the Crusaders are in Super League. Since the Crusaders have started 3 years ago rugby league has slowly started to grow in South Wales. With Super League in Wales this will only increase the growth of the sport. An example of the possible success for the welsh base side can be seen with Catalan. I believe that clubs like Castleford, Wakefield and St.Helens should count there blessings having years to delelop there team and stadium's only to give fans poor facilities to watch a very much impoving league. Until people like stevo start admitting that rugby Union is out there instead of calling it "THAT OTHER GAME", Rugby league will slowly become a second rate game, well behind Union. Rugby League has to learn from the delelopment of rugby Union and removing the Salary cap and improveing ground facilities would be a good start. Teams like Saints, Cas, and Wakey should not be spending all their money on players while their ground are best decribed as sheep stations. The same thing is happening in Australia with Sydney based clubs are dying and until the game spends wider it will die. Look at the world cup coming up, WHAT A JOKE. compare this to the Rugby Union world cup, lots of teams and up to 6 possible winners every time. The Rugby league world cup Australia, England and New Zealand with there B sides in disguise calling them Scotland, Somoa etc. With only ONE POSSIBLE WINNER.
Posted 01:31 26th July 2008
Rob Law says...
As a Salford fan living in Swansea I have seen the Crusaders a couple of times this season, their crowds are poor and most of the home fans sit in the main stand, during Salfords visit the travelling supporters all stood as they would in the shedat the Willows. I don't think that the whole aspect of 1 Rugby League team based in Bridgend can unite a nation seperated by hatred created between 2 waring football teams based in Swansea & Cardiff. Hopefully the team will not move to a new stadium in the capital as this would increase this void. I also hope that the business plan of the owner includes initiatives to attract youngsters to the Brewery field as well as exciting the stelwarts of Union to chance a trip to see Saints, Braford & the likes on a Friday night. Previously League in Wales had to compete with Union as both were a winter sport, this obviously is not the case. There may also be an opportunity to play games in Swansea, Bridgend & Cardiff on a rotation basis to sure up the current following. I do know that I will be going to most of the Crusaders home games, supporting the Crusaders for 12 games will be easy but the 13th game against Salford will not even come into question - Come on you REDS.
Posted 21:38 25th July 2008
Michael Mcgloin says...
well phil i expect the crusaders will make you a life member of of their club afterall you have spent the last few month championing its super league application.whot experience have you of the rugby set up in south wales let me guess / a couple of challenge cup finals and magic weekends?.on wed you made the biggest gaff so far when you said that clubs like widnes have had 100 years to get their act together how can you possably compare celtics 2.5 seasons with widneses illustrious 100+years?as for your comments on french RL. saying whot they had done in the south of france in three years 36 top class teams was playing RL in that area just before the second world war.but that was a bit before your time.as far as widnes are concerned i would advise them to enter a team in the rugby union otherwise they will be just producing players for other super league clubs thus reducing its chances of ever getting back in super league.
Posted 21:34 24th July 2008
Paul Thwaites says...
Haven't Warrington done well assuring themselves of 'A' licence status. It hopefully makes up in some way for winning absolutely nothing in the Super League era! Ha ha ha!!!
Posted 20:20 24th July 2008
Jason North says...
Superleague you're having a laugh!! I grew up in South Wales and it's union mad!! Your killing the Grass roots of the game!! It will come back to haught you!! As far as i'm concered the superleague doesn't exist anymore!! I will never b interested in it!!! C'mon national league 1 & 2!!! It's a crazy sport without compition of promition and regulations.....It would never happen with football!!! Oh, Fev Rovers till i die, Eat my Shirt......Also I do feel for the other fans of teams in League 1 & 2 !!
Posted 17:18 24th July 2008
Rob Cooper says...
If we take Quins RL as an example, they are in a similar position to the Crusaders. They have recently had incredible success with bringing through acadamy players to the first team but this has not had much of an affect on attendances (recent match against Castleford just over 2,000!). I think fans would prefer to see a good side in an average stadium as apposed to an average side in a good stadium - a good example is Huddersfield, they have a great stadium but are still struggling for good crowds due to their performances.
Posted 14:36 24th July 2008
Danny Norkus says...
I would have respect for the decision to include the Celtic Crusaders if Lewis and his cronies came out and stated they wanted to expand the game to a new area, and not make the feeble excuses they have for including a poorly supported team with a ramshackle ground from an area where there is no tradition of league. I feel desperately sorry for Widnes, Leigh, Halifax and Featherstone. These are towns in the heartlands of our game, with clubs steeped in history and tradition. Towns where generations of boys have played the game in schools and at their local amateur clubs. Towns that have supplied countless internationals and indeed of legends of our great game. Its obvious now that there will be no place for these clubs at the top table. I have no doubts whatsoever that Lewis will now look to Scotland and Ireland for the next Crusader clones to emerge. He is a man with no feeling for the soul of the game and he must be replaced by a man that understands what rugby league means to the people who have supported it for generations.
Posted 14:05 24th July 2008
Anon Anon says...
I just don't see how investing money into youth players for a rugby league team in wales is going to work. The catchment area is tiny for the Crusaders because there as so few mini and junior league sides in Wales. Where do they look for young talent, at the union clubs? If they do that they will only get second class players. Which union clubs are going to reccomend their talented young players go to a Crusaders trial rather than one for the Blues or Ospreys for example?
Posted 13:16 24th July 2008
James V says...
Phil i was wondering whether you knew if the RFL are going to change the application process for the next set of three year licenses. The reason I am asking this is that there is a definite bias towards current super league clubs and the likes of widnes, toulouse etc will find it difficult to meet the criteria when playing in the national leagues. For example it will be near on impossible to get crowds over 10,000 or to meet the 40% capacity mark if they have a decent stadium. In addition if they keep the contribution to competition criteria then they wont be able to get this either. It would be interesting to hear your views on this!
Posted 13:15 24th July 2008
Bill Woods says...
Dont you think it will be even harder for those clubs omitted to gain a license next time round ? The RL have basically disregarded all the criteria they set out for a franchise in order to ensure a Manchester and Welsh team are included, The clubs omitted face having to get in a position to compete without the millions of pounds now being given to the other clubs to bring them up to the standard that they should have already been at to have been accepted. I watched Richard Lewis contradict himself and avoid the "friendly" questions he was asked , skirting round the hypocrital decisions they had made without giving one honest answer, i can only assume each criteria was given a weighting and that the financial aspect outweighed everything else, even then they allow clubs in based on promises that they now have 3 years to put right but exclude Widnes due to one failing that would have been greatly reduced with the additional revenue from Sky, remember Widnes can better a number of current clubs attendances already and thats without us, Wigan, Warrington, leeds etc etc visiting . The whole things a disgrace and rushing Celtic in so early could actually spell the end for RL in Wales if they fail with all this backing, are the RL going to continue to allow them dipensation and bail them out for years on end if that is the scenario ??
Posted 12:21 24th July 2008
Ian Gwynne says...
The youth development programme seems to be progresiing very well in Wales now and there were actually more junior clubs competing in the Welsh Rugby League junior league this year than any other. There were two new junior clubs this year and there are more talked about for next year. I run Tydfil Wildcats and I can see the hard work the WRL has put into the junior game will go a long way to establishing a stable platfoorm for the game in Wales
Posted 10:34 24th July 2008
Ben Hilton says...
I find it strange that they want to improve the fanbase in Wales yet the RFL decided to move the Magic weekend to Edinburgh, did they not decide to introduce the Crusaders to Superleague until the day before the announcement??
Posted 08:23 24th July 2008
Mark Fairhurst says...
Celtic Crusaders FOR - They are 250 miles from Leeds, a 5-6 Hr coach journey with no low cost airline alternative (Catalan Dragons is a 1 hr 20 low cost airline flight away). 10 Australians means they are doing well in NL1 - the other teams are allowed 1 quota player. Celtic are also allowed to break the salary cap. AGAINST - No fan base, no local derby's, awful stadium, any Welsh players will dream of playing Yawnion at the Millenium, Celtic Warriors were liquidated 01June2004 with the same owner.
Posted 00:44 24th July 2008
Mark Douglas says...
I feel so sorry for Leigh and Widnes this time round. I fear for their Super League applications next time round too. Gateshead are starting to take off now and if a Cumbrian or Scottish challenge can be mounted its going to be hard. Wakefield or Cas will be at risk next time definitely and unless one of the Hull teams starts to falter the geographically biased Superleague powers that be there will ensure their isn't going to be much hope for any of the Lancashire and Yorkshire based teams.
Posted 19:24 23rd July 2008
Edward Connor says...
how many more times are widnes going to be diddled by the rugby league no way was celtics bid stronger than ours & as for expanding the game the welsh have tried before as have london,and they bring nothing to the game except a field full of second rate aussies & a pocket full of money for somebody at RFL headquarters.Dont they realise that they are killing the game at grassroots in PROPER northern rugby league towns.I & many more like me even from different towns are beginning to lose faith in the game that we love.P.S. i was a sky subscriber before yesterdays decision but not anymore
Posted 18:51 23rd July 2008
David Phillips says...
I am a Quin's season ticket holder and firstly good luck to both Salford and The Crusaders. In London it has taken a good few years to 'get settled' into Super League - more than possibly the 3 years that are being made available now. At Harlequins we are proud of the number of homegrown players in our 1st team squad and the past and present management should be applauded for that. It does appear that along with salary caps it will only be a matter of time before there will be a limit to the number of overseas players allowed too. Whether or not the new and some existing Super League teams will be able to cope with that as a restriction countered with trying to win sufficient games to keep the crowds coming through the turnstiles will also be a potential problem. We all want to see our teams win - the RFL need to be sure they don't impose too many restrictions / requirements on the Clubs.
Posted 16:55 23rd July 2008
Ralph Linton says...
Phil, do you believe that the SL selection was carried out in a fair and transparent way as the RFL had promised? many Widnes people I have spoken to are not sure it was and have lost a lot of faith in them, stating that Celtic have been given a license based on 'ifs, buts and maybe's ', with RFL admitting that its a gamble to award them a license. Personally i feel that areas of the criteria, set down by the RFL, have been ignored in certain cases to accommodate certain clubs.
Posted 16:29 23rd July 2008
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